Session Date/Time: 06 Nov 2023 08:30

dispatch

Summary

This meeting covered four presentations. The first presentation discussed R5N, a distributed hash table, and its potential standardization within the IETF. The second presentation introduced a proposal for extending the JSON and CSV formats with named and typed values (NTV). The third presentation advocated for the creation of a state synchronization working group. The last presentation proposed a standardized method for reporting junk mail via DNS records. The meeting also included a brief overview of the upcoming area restructuring and a presentation of a new topic proposal on collective communication.

Key Discussion Points

R5N Distributed Hash Table:
- Discussion focused on whether a working group would be required and if there's sufficient community interest.
- Feedback from routing working group was minimal and improvements have been made since then.
JSON and CSV Extension (NTV):
- Raised concerns about potential overlap with existing solutions like JSON Schema.
- Concerns about potential re-invention of wheels.
- The Seabor community may not be the right place for this to land
State Synchronization Working Group:
- Several participants expressed skepticism about the possibility of solving a "generalized" state synchronization problem.
- Suggestion to approach formal methods research group and to focus on specific applications like HTTP.
- The option of an IRTF research group was debated.
Junk Mail Reporting via DNS:
- Proposal to standardize a mechanism for routing junk mail reports via DNS records similar to existing practices with DECOM.
- Discussion about potential overlap with existing mechanisms of feedback.
Area Restructuring:
- Overview of art restructuring was presented.
- Feedback on area names would be considered.
Collective Communication:
- A collective communication is an interprocess communication model that plays a key role in, high performance computing and, modern Tributed AI training workflows.
- Proposed Collective communication optimization as a cross-layer concern, spanning application, transport, and networking areas.

Decisions and Action Items

R5N: Need to demonstrate a wider community interest before forming a working group. The presenters were encouraged to continue their work and look for adoption.
JSON and CSV Extension (NTV): There was no clear support for taking this work forward within the IETF. More feedback should be sought from JSON schema.
State Synchronization Working Group: The meeting participants lean toward the suggestion of an IRTF research group rather than a working group.
Junk Mail Reporting via DNS: Engage Mogg and get more solid participation. Alexis should try to engage more of Mogg to solidify adoption of a proposed working group. Murray agreed to help, but wants to see commitment.
Collective Communication: More discussions with other working groups would be needed to explore the proposed implementation.

Next Steps

R5N: Seek potential adopters and expand the community.
JSON and CSV Extension (NTV): Engage with JSON Schema community.
State Synchronization Working Group: To consider a IRTF research group.
Junk Mail Reporting via DNS: Alexis to coordinate with Mogg and get more commitment.
Collective Communication: Presenters will hold a side meeting on Thursday to foster further discussion and contribution.